http://www.rspca.org.uk/ImageLocator...55138&mode=prd

Any thoughts?

It's an old document, full of shit.

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This is a very old report dating back to 2001, précis of Morbidity and Mortality in Private Reptile Husbandry. The RSPCA used this to try and get a ban implemented in the UK on private reptile keepers. Backfired dramatically as with the assistance of our colleagues at the DGHT in Germany we submitted stacks of evidence to prove it was a heap of crap. Interestingly it’s about the only time in history the EU Scientific Review Group were unanimous on anything, dismissing it as: ‘a pile of steaming horse poo’….. well that was quite the wording the used, but you get the drift!!

Typical Rspca propaganda

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Thanks.

I found it by accident searching for something else.

They talk out of their arse.........

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LOL .... well said

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On that, we are agreed

This report has been mentioned to me a few times but my only arguement has been to essentially say "nobody liked it, ignore it" - which only works when people want to ignore it, not when they are either unbiased or looking basing arguements on it.

Are there any documents anywhere that show this? Official minutes, an official publication etc etc? Just something i can direct people to, other than hearsay.

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The EU SRG did issue a formal statement at the time, the abridged version is “this report is a pile of crap”. I should still have a copy of there response – somewhere. If I can find it I will post it, I did, however, stumble across this [see below] whilst looking for it!!!!


LETTER SENT BY RSPCA TO EVERY LOCAL AUTHORITY

Below is the text of a letter sent by the RSPCA to every Local Authority (LA) in the country regarding its crusade against reptile keeping.

It is very important to recognise that this campaign is not simply to stop imports of reptiles into the European Union (EU) but also to restrict keeping of reptiles. The full report ‘Mortality and morbidity in private husbandry of reptiles’ specifically states that category 1 species should not be kept my private keepers.

LA’s are responsible for issuing Pet Shop Licenses in the UK
JNCC advise the government scientific advisers
Remember just a few examples from category 1 – not to be kept by private keepers:

Leopard tortoise Geochelone pardalis
Veiled chameleon Chamaelo calyptratus
Panther chameleon Furcifer pardalis
Bosc monitor Varanus exanthematicus
Common boa Boa constrictor
Rainbow boa Epicates cenchria
Carpet python Morelia spilota

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
Patrons HM The Queen, HM Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother Vice Patron His Grace The Archbishop of Canterbury
Registered charity no. 219099
March 11, 2002

Dear Sir/Madam,

Far from home: mortality and morbidity rates in reptiles –
I have enclosed a summary of a new report*, commissioned by the RSPCA, into the welfare problems experienced by reptiles kept in captivity.

You will be aware that the RSPCA has well publicised concerns about the welfare of captive reptiles and other exotic species. The new report has highlighted four categories of particularly vulnerable reptiles which are either not suitable for private owners and others which should only be kept by qualified keepers. The RSPCA is officially launching the report on March 13 and will use it to campaign within the European Union to have the most vulnerable reptiles banned from import in to the EU. The Society will also be seeking import bans and tighter restrictions on import of other reptile species.

I have sent you a copy of the report because as the licensing authority for any reptile pet shops which may exist in your area, you will be interested in some of the data contained within the summary and within the main report, Mortality and morbidity in private husbandry of reptiles, which is available from the RSPCA's Wildlife department at the address given below.

In the light of the data contained within the report you may therefore wish to consider whether or not the local authority should restrict the sale of vulnerable reptiles on welfare grounds. Category 1 reptiles are considered by the RSPCA as not suitable for private husbandry and therefore believes that pet shops should be strongly discouraged from selling them on welfare grounds.

The Society would also strongly urge all local authorities to ensure that pet shop owners selling reptiles are suitably experienced and that appropriate care information is provided to each new owner.
As a local authority you may also wish to express your support for the RSPCA's campaign or write with your own concerns, as a statutory licensing authority, to the Joint Nature Conservancy Council. The JNCC is the scientific advisory body which advises the Government on the UK's CITES policy. They can be written to at: Monkstone House, City Road, Peterborough, PE1 1JY. We would be very pleased to receive copies of any responses you receive.

If you would like further information or copies of the report please contact: Sarah Kennell, Information Officer, Wildlife Department at the address below or e mail:

Yours sincerely,
Joceline Tran, Local Government Campaigns Officer

* Altherr S and Freyer D. Mortality and morbidity in private husbandry of reptiles, 2001.