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Old 12-02-2012, 12:49 PM
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Some times people are genuine victims at the hands of some else. I was attacked and raped a few years ago and at the time I blamed myself for it. Later I realised that I had not 'asked for it' and it was his decision to rape me. I did say NO but it made no difference. After that there were times when I wanted to end it all and there were others when I wished he had murdered me once he was through and other times when I felt so much hatred towards him that I planned to track him down and murder him. I never did. As for suicide it was all worked out in my head how I would do it and yes it is selfish but at the time you do not see it that way. I felt that I could not tell anyone what had happened because they would not believe me so there was no one for me to turn to. I felt very much alone with everything that was going on in my head and there was also the feels of being violated and dirty and all the trauma that goes with it. I came so close but at the end did not go through with it. Why? Because my favourite aunt was waiting for me on the other side and I did not want to disappoint her by joining her early. That was my little miracle.

We really need to judge each case on its own merits as each person gets to that terrible dark place for all kinds of reasons and sometimes, as it was with me, it seems that there really is no other way out. Yes, I survived and I did find another way to deal with it all. I still do have to deal with it as something like that never really goes away but however long it takes you do heal though you may be scarred.


I did experiment with drugs when I was young and stupid but now I think it is a mugs game but that is just me. I will not even take over the counter meds unless I really have to, I hate taking drugs. I do not blame anyone else for the fact that I experimented with them it was my choice to do so as I thought it was 'cool'. I was strong enough to say NO after a while but others are not and they get hooked. Again we have to judge each case by it is own merits.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:54 PM
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No big loss to the greater scheme of things I'd say..........yes, at one stage a stunningly beautiful, talented artist but just look at footage from the wacko jacko memorial performance and you see a drug addled image of the walking dead.
She was a self centered uppity diva in her hey day so anything that happened in her life she brought on herself and I don't understand where all these closet whitney fans are coming from all of a sudden now her lifestyle has caught up with her !!
Sympathy for the family she left behind to cope with and deal with this mess.....yes
Sympathy for a drugs riddled diva....NO
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:03 PM
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Everyone is talking about dark places etc.....
What about the great times that can be had on drugs... People don't do them to feel crap... They do them cos it's a brilliant night and you had a right laugh...
OK every now and then there is a casualty, but compared to the amounts being sold in the UK, far more people enjoying themselves that in a living hell....
Obviously, if you don't know where your next fix is coming from, it's got to be tough... But if you are rich, and can afford to be loaded and partying full time... Party on...
Like I keep saying.... Maybe she enjoyed it... ???
It reminds me of the George Best story...
Retired at 27 spent his time in bars.. Slept with 3 Miss Worlds and countless models...
And when found in his hotel room, drinkining vintage Champagne surrounded by thousands of £20 notes he had just won in a casino and a naked Miss World.. Marie Stavin in the bed was asked...
George.. Where did it all go wrong?....
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Old 13-02-2012, 11:33 AM
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I don't buy that. If you get involved in anything it's down to you. As always there are exceptions but on the most part it's all down to the individual. Let's say Sarah you fell madly in love with me. If I said to you, break your arm for me honey, you wouldn't do it. If I said darling pleeeaaase jump off a cliff. You wouldn't. If an adult decides to take drugs etc then THEY'VE decided to take drugs etc. End of. Some human's will always try and blame something or someone else for their own problems and failings.
Its not always down to the person taking the drugs. Yes mine was probably the exception you are talking about but he got a kick out of giving me a kicking and making my life hell, for me it was take this line or take a punch in the face, and believe my after 4 punches to the face i took it to numb the pain. I did choose to take them but if i didnt id probably be dead.

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Sorry, but that is BS. They both made their own choices and both paid the price. To drag the men in, however scummy they may be, is an attempt to lessen their own accountability. THEY chose to be with those men, THEY chose to do drugs, THEY could have left any time. THEY were stupid.
But then acting like a victim is easier than taking responsibility.
It is not always as clear cut as you may think, i left him after the first time he slapped me, i was never 'with' him since then, i lost count of the amount of times i phoned the police about kidnap. I had a choice get in the car or get a beating and be put in the boot, either way i was going with him when he found me. I was locked in a room for days at a time, i finally got away from him after 8 months of escaping and being kidnapped (the police put it down to domestic disturbance!!) I was sent to a relatives house the last time i escaped, he couldnt find me and i put weight back on, im 5'7 and i weighed 6 stone. Its not always the case of 'she should ve/ could ve left him'

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Everyone is talking about dark places etc.....
What about the great times that can be had on drugs... People don't do them to feel crap... They do them cos it's a brilliant night and you had a right laugh...
OK every now and then there is a casualty, but compared to the amounts being sold in the UK, far more people enjoying themselves that in a living hell....
Obviously, if you don't know where your next fix is coming from, it's got to be tough... But if you are rich, and can afford to be loaded and partying full time... Party on...
Like I keep saying.... Maybe she enjoyed it... ???
It reminds me of the George Best story...
Retired at 27 spent his time in bars.. Slept with 3 Miss Worlds and countless models...
And when found in his hotel room, drinkining vintage Champagne surrounded by thousands of £20 notes he had just won in a casino and a naked Miss World.. Marie Stavin in the bed was asked...
George.. Where did it all go wrong?....
I have took drugs of my own accord, a long time ago now, and yeah i did have some great times, you soon realise that those people who were letting you/encouraging you to take drugs are not your friends and those 'great' times are fake.
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Like I said there are ALWAYS exceptions but i'm still not buying she was a victim in all of this. It was her choice and she choose her path. I very much doubt a gun was being pointed at her head or she was ever made to live how she did. I've nothing against any one taking drugs or hitting the ale hard, so long as it is within your budget. Cart on and enjoy it. Just don't expect any sympathy off me. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Here is a thought for you. Alcohol and caffeine are both drugs. All junkies now?
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Its not always down to the person taking the drugs. Yes mine was probably the exception you are talking about but he got a kick out of giving me a kicking and making my life hell, for me it was take this line or take a punch in the face, and believe my after 4 punches to the face i took it to numb the pain. I did choose to take them but if i didnt id probably be dead.

It is not always as clear cut as you may think, i left him after the first time he slapped me, i was never 'with' him since then, i lost count of the amount of times i phoned the police about kidnap. I had a choice get in the car or get a beating and be put in the boot, either way i was going with him when he found me. I was locked in a room for days at a time, i finally got away from him after 8 months of escaping and being kidnapped (the police put it down to domestic disturbance!!) I was sent to a relatives house the last time i escaped, he couldnt find me and i put weight back on, im 5'7 and i weighed 6 stone. Its not always the case of 'she should ve/ could ve left him'

I have took drugs of my own accord, a long time ago now, and yeah i did have some great times, you soon realise that those people who were letting you/encouraging you to take drugs are not your friends and those 'great' times are fake.

I hope there are lots of lovely, kind people in your life now.
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Old 13-02-2012, 07:16 PM
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I hope there are lots of lovely, kind people in your life now.
Yeah there are a few nice people now

I do tend to attract weirdos
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Yeah there are a few nice people now

I do tend to attract weirdos
Im your friend and im not weird (much)
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