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Old 17-10-2010, 05:59 PM
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Your king cobra looks so sad, no worries..... next year he will be happy.............

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.... so will the inland taipans!

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Tom has Inlands?!?!?!?!



Bloody hell, how on earth did you obtain them?!
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Old 17-10-2010, 06:05 PM
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Tom has Inlands?!?!?!?!



Bloody hell, how on earth did you obtain them?!
Young Inlands and coastals were on sale at Houten the year before last......... nice looking CB specimens.
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Old 17-10-2010, 06:09 PM
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Young Inlands and coastals were on sale at Houten the year before last......... nice looking CB specimens.

Inalnds are stunning........Really like them.



Anyway, back on topic....Incase you didn't see this previously, Tom - Here is the response:


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They often have problems with digestion. I have converted over a dozen large WC indo and thai Kings to rodents and really regret it (despite them being big enough to eat almost anything) as they will often deficate clumps of hair and half digested mammlian bones. The bones of the ophidians that the kings feed on in nature (white lip vipers , diadem ratsnakes etc) have significantly less density than those of large adult rats. Just like coral snakes, kraits, etc king cobras need to thrive on natural diet. Its like all the jackasses that want to try and feed A.hispada mice, if you just stick to a natural diet (or substitute it for something similar like freshwater snails) the animals do well. Dont overthink the animal, feas vipers die in captivity cause people do not simulate there eniviroment in china and they drop like flys. Kings are a niche snake, and in trying to alter there natural feeding cycle and prey can severly compromise that animal, IME
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Inalnds are stunning........Really like them.



Anyway, back on topic....Incase you didn't see this previously, Tom - Here is the response:
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Old 17-10-2010, 06:31 PM
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Inalnds are stunning........Really like them.



Anyway, back on topic....Incase you didn't see this previously, Tom - Here is the response:
Well, all that repsonse tells me is that the kings shit looks different when being fed rodents, no big deal. Thats not proof that it affects their health in any way shape or form. And i have never seen undigested bones in my kings stool. Occasionally there is a bit of fur, but then again i have seen small amounts of fur in the stool of several other species of snake before aswell.

With the guys other examples, Atheris hispida and Azemiops feae, the snakes are dying due to the lack of appropriate care, but i have never heard of a king cobra dying due to being fed rodents.

What negative physical effects does a rodent diet have on the king? Does it stop them from breeding? Nope. Does it stunt their growth? Nope. Does it make them grow fur? Nope again. The guys response sounds more like speculation than fact.

And yes i have recently aquired a pair of Inland Taipans, as Stuart said, CB animals have been available in Europe for a while.
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Well, all that repsonse tells me is that the kings shit looks different when being fed rodents, no big deal. Thats not proof that it affects their health in any way shape or form. And i have never seen undigested bones in my kings stool. Occasionally there is a bit of fur, but then again i have seen small amounts of fur in the stool of several other species of snake before aswell.

With the guys other examples, Atheris hispida and Azemiops feae, the snakes are dying due to the lack of appropriate care, but i have never heard of a king cobra dying due to being fed rodents.

What negative physical effects does a rodent diet have on the king? Does it stop them from breeding? Nope. Does it stunt their growth? Nope. Does it make them grow fur? Nope again. The guys response sounds more like speculation than fact.

And yes i have recently aquired a pair of Inland Taipans, as Stuart said, CB animals have been available in Europe for a while.

i agree, i've noticed kings stools to be harder with the odd bit of fur from rodent feeding and runnier on a snake diet, however that has no affect on the health of the animal, and many snakes will have fur in the stools from rodents, doesn't cause them any issues.
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The only way I could see Kings dying from eating rodents is over feeding.

Like all other species in the world.
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i also got a response from a professional too VL and this is what he says:

This rumour is portrayed mainly by SE asian reptile dealers who offer to sell you feeder reptiles ! I know of many king cobras over 10 years old that have only been fed on rodents here in the UK USA and in India. The problem associated with feeding kings rodents is subconscious fat which is also a problem when feeding captive bred reptiles. Its very irresponsible to recommend feeding wild collected snakes to captive king cobras. Most species are suffering population reductions as it is and if your feeding a rodent eating snake to your king cobras your also increasing the probability of crop damage,the use of poisons which can also cause harm to non pest species ect. The only connection I have made between food and premature death in kings is the feeding of Natracine snakes! Please refer to the articles on feeding kings on my web site Welcome to the King Cobra Sanctuary and Tom keep up the good work and don't let the rare keeper that have fallen for this rumour talk you into feeding practises that can only cause a negative image for king cobra keepers. The only exception to this I know of is Tom crutchfield feeding his kings on Burmese pythons collected in the florida Everglades. Luke Yeomans. The King Cobra Sanctuary
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i also got a response from a professional too VL and this is what he says:

This rumour is portrayed mainly by SE asian reptile dealers who offer to sell you feeder reptiles ! I know of many king cobras over 10 years old that have only been fed on rodents here in the UK USA and in India. The problem associated with feeding kings rodents is subconscious fat which is also a problem when feeding captive bred reptiles. Its very irresponsible to recommend feeding wild collected snakes to captive king cobras. Most species are suffering population reductions as it is and if your feeding a rodent eating snake to your king cobras your also increasing the probability of crop damage,the use of poisons which can also cause harm to non pest species ect. The only connection I have made between food and premature death in kings is the feeding of Natracine snakes! Please refer to the articles on feeding kings on my web site Welcome to the King Cobra Sanctuary and Tom keep up the good work and don't let the rare keeper that have fallen for this rumour talk you into feeding practises that can only cause a negative image for king cobra keepers. The only exception to this I know of is Tom crutchfield feeding his kings on Burmese pythons collected in the florida Everglades. Luke Yeomans. The King Cobra Sanctuary


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I have a friend that has bred kings and raised up babies over the last several years and he has switched all of his over fairly easily to rodents and has no issues. He has a 10-11ft king eating rodents that he hatched out 8 years ago, so I'd be skeptical in believing that they have problems from eating rodents. -Jamie
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